[s1mp3-dev] About GPL was Fw: Re: [s1mp3] sourceforge project page
M. Warner Losh
imp at bsdimp.com
Thu Jun 15 13:26:41 CDT 2006
In message: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0606152003480.18769 at sprite.student.utwente.nl>
Jeroen Domburg <jeroen at sprite.student.utwente.nl> writes:
: Normally, I'd completely agree with BC. Problem is, as far as I can see,
: as soon as we've got a nice firmware all wrapped up, Actions will go and
: take it. I don't want that; them not giving a donkeys arse about our
: troubles with no docs etc and in the end them profiting of it. It's not
: that I don't want any corporation profiting from this work, it's just that
: I don't want Actions profiting from it. If anyone else wants to use it, as
: I said, they can always come to us and we can agree to license it to them
: under some other license.
When working from open source, you have to get over not wanting others
to profit from it. They will, no matter what you do. Even GPL'd
Actions could take it and say "fuck the bad publicity, and fuck you,
we're going to sell this and you can sue us if you want us to stop.
we're in Taiwan. Good luck, since we have deep pockets and you
don't. So it is a good risk to us, we think, so it will cost you big
bucks to make us stop."
Sorry to be so blunt, but when you distribute the source, you have to
understand the risks you take...
: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Legolas wrote:
: > From the old yahoo group mailing list.
: > --
: > Legolas
: > BC wrote Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:28 am:
: >> Re: [s1mp3] sourceforge project page
: >> I have several personal issues with the GPL license. But only once I
: >> understood what it meant. I was forced to read the GPL, when working on (I
: >> think the phrase is) "statically linked plugins" for another project. I
: >> sent this one particular plugin out for beta test by a few helpful
: >> others -
: >> there was a bit fo a rave about it being cool and rather than send
: >> individual copies out to the many requestors I put it on my website ...One
: >> dilemma - as a beta, my source code "sucked arse" it was messy and
: >> uncommented etc. as this is one of the last things I do with my code -
: >> clean it up to be programer friendly. There was to be a two(ish) week
: >> delay between the beta plugin going up on my site and the "nice" source
: >> code being made available.
: >> At the point in time the authors of the main project (to which I was
: >> "linking") threatened to sue me if I did not put the source code on the
: >> site **NOW** I started making myself familiar with the terms of the GPL
: >> license.
: >> GPL is, as with any license, simply another form of censorship. In this
: >> case anti-capitalist censorship - it means that if someone thinks my code
: >> is great and they want to use it in a closed source project - they are not
: >> allowed to.
: >> Now you will have to excuse my methusulean stance, but I come from a time
: >> when "PD" [Public Domain] was the dominant term . When my code could be
: >> taken and used by anyone without any fear or reprisal no matter what they
: >> desired from it. If Boeing found some cool algorithms which they thought
: >> could fly a plane (and, yes, I have done a LOT of A.I. work in my time)
: >> then they could just take it and use it.
: >> GPL strips people of their rights. Think about this... You work for NASA -
: >> you're given two weeks to solve your particular part of the latest problem
: >> - three days to go and you are still smashing your head against the wall -
: >> your job hangs on this - the food in your kid's stomach - your mortgage -
: >> your car - and with 48 hours to go you find the solution, quite by chance,
: >> in some maze game on the net - the source code is GPL'd - two days later
: >> you are fired.
: >> The only come back I can see which holds any validity is "well, NASA
: >> wouldn't give a crap about GPL - they would just steal the code and keep
: >> their mouths firmly shut waving a banner labelled 'official secrets act'"
: >> Differetiate between YOUR LOSS and THEIR GAIN ...if you GPL your code all
: >> you do is make yourself a fat bunch of work and make sure nobody can
: >> benefit financially from the fruits of your hobby.
: >> My code is free (as in free) - if someone thinks I am so spectacularly
: >> awesome that they want to use my code - I really don't care if they
: >> procure
: >> money or not - if you think money will make you happy - go4it - I wish you
: >> every happiness.
: >> BC
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